When I was a little girl, I asked my mom about her wearing (temple) garments. She told me she was grateful to be able to wear them. She told me they represented sacred covenants she had made in the House of the Lord, and why wouldn’t she want to wear “the Lord’s” garments.
This conversation has had a special meaning to me. It shaped my attitude about LDS temple garments, starting from a young age more than a decade before I eventually received my endowments in the Salt Lake Temple.
The topic of garments has been in the news lately, fueled in part by Mitt Romney’s candidacy and curiosity about his religion. While the all-white underclothing is commonly referred to simply as “garments,” it may also be called temple garments, which is different from other temple clothing. There are many other nicknames, including many that are disrespectful to what is sacred for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I grew up knowing what garments looked like. Although my parents were modest and wore their garments appropriately, I occasionally saw my mother getting dressed and I helped with household laundry. I did not think my parent’s underclothes were bizarre. I did not grow up in a predominately Mormon neighborhood. Most of my friends were not LDS, but I never thought about their parent’s underwear. As I got a little older, I certainly recognized the difference, hence the question to my mother, but I knew my family believed in many different things than my friends’ families. Garments were just one of those many things that were different in my family – different, yes; different, but not weird.
I knew I wanted to someday attend the temple and receive my endowments. As I got older, my conviction to do this was strengthened. I knew that doing so would mean that I would also wear garments. I never thought of this as a sacrifice. I felt, as my mother had shared with me, that I would also be grateful to be able to wear them.
I am grateful that I am able to wear them. I cherish the sacred meaning of the temple garments. I know many do not value this as I do. I know many may think I am wrong in my beliefs. I really don’t care. I think they are missing out, but it is completely their choice to do so.
I had a mother who shaped my attitude, and therefore also my experience, of temple garments. I was also able to ask her questions. In a Church of mostly converts (and also many without endowed family members), those taking out their endowments may not have someone who can offer some practical tips for wearing garments. When I took out my endowments, I was in a young single adult ward. I would not have felt comfortable asking my Bishop (who was very helpful in helping me prepare for the endowment) or my Relief Society president about actually wearing garments.
Aside from the issue that underwear is an intimately private topic anyway (There are only a couple of people in my life who I have talked to about wearing a bra.), I think it’s difficult to broach the topic of wearing garments. We know that garments are sacred and that endowed members make promises not to talk about certain things outside of the temple, and we do not want to diminish the sanctity of the garment by making it commonplace. So, if you’re un-endowed, how do you know what is okay to ask about, without being disrespectful, inappropriate or awkward?
A lot of people find themselves in this situation. They don’t have someone they would feel comfortable talking to about underwear of any nature; forget about finding someone to discuss the practical matters of wearing temple garments. I understand that there can be anxiety about taking out endowments and wearing garments. Unknowns can cause apprehension.
Since The Cultural Hall is a forum to share things about Mormon culture that are often not talked about, here’s what I would say to my sister regarding wearing garments without revealing anything about the temple ordinances. While most of these tips are for women, some could also apply to men:
1) First of all: be prepared for the temple. Take the temple prep course. Read the Church statements about the temple ordinances and garments. Study. I especially like the recommendations offered in Elder Nelson’s April 2011 General Conference talk. What’s practical about preparation? As you increase your understanding and testimony, your resolve to wear the garments will increase. You are less likely to have feelings of resentment in your promise to wear the garments. Your desire and attitude changes. You find yourself looking to find ways to make it work instead of finding excuses for times not to wear them. It becomes a joyful experience. That is an each and every day practicality tip.
2) There are several types of fabrics and cuts available, more than just what you may or may not have noticed mom wearing. Just like you may have preferences in what type of fabric your bra is made of, you will have preferences in what type of fabric your garments are made of. Not everyone is this way, but your preferences may be related to the weather, an activity you are participating in (specifically, sports) and the fabric or type of outer clothes you are wearing. You may want to wear a different fabric depending on if your shirt is cotton v. silky, or say if you’re hiking in the middle of summer v. skiing in the winter. Some of the fabrics are more likely to stretch out of shape or shrink in washing. Try the different fabrics out. I especially like one of the new fabrics the Church has come out with recently.
3) The ladies who work at Church Distribution are nice. They will tell you all about the different fabrics and cuts. Feel free to ask them questions.
4) Get your tops in long. My sister is not short or petite, and they have cuts for those who are. Even if you are not very tall or don’t normally wear longs in other types of clothes, longs stay tucked in better. Also, in some cuts, the longs are longer than others. What is a “regular” length in one cut may be the length of the “long” in another. Cuts vary depending on the fabric.
5) The same goes for regular v. petite bottoms. You may not normally wear petite, but petite bottoms may fit you better. The biggest difference, as far as I can tell in bottoms, is in the rise. Again, cuts vary depending on the fabric.
6) Surprising tip: try calf-length bottoms to wear with pants. What?! Why would I want ones that are longer? you may be thinking. They don’t ride up. The ends don’t curl as some knee-length ones are prone to do with jeans. They stay down. This is the kind of tip that is whispered from one sister to another.
7) When new cuts or fabrics are available, try them. And I would say, for more than just one day. If you don’t like them at first, give them a chance a while later. You may be surprised.
8) You may like wearing a different size, cut or fabric at night than you do during the day.
9) Don’t throw out all your un-modest clothes, just yet. (My sister has some of these.) I wear tank tops all the time in layering, especially with shirts that are lower cut in the front or could be too short when you bend over, lift your arms up or sit down. My tank tops are really long. I usually tuck the tank top in and then don’t have to worry about my underwear showing when I move around. (Really, I think this is a good tip for everyone. We don’t need to be seeing that inch of skin between your shirt and pants that peaks out every time you move. Eliminate plumber’s crack!) Lots of my friends wear a modest shirt under a tank top or sleeveless shirt. There are lots of creative ways to modest-ify outfits.
10) Only wash your whites with other all-white clothing. Anything else will make your whites look dingy over time. Wash whites in hot water. Most people use bleach, but it can make whites yellow over time. Use white vinegar instead. It helps with sweat and collar stains, and it softens like a fabric softener. If you make sure you have a good rinse, your whites won’t smell like vinegar after washing.
11) And since when my sister takes out her endowments, it will probably be because she is getting married, I would tell her to buy a DownEast Wonder Tee to use for her wedding dress fittings before she is endowed. (Shade has one like it too.) While the neckline is different, how the sleeves hit is pretty spot on. If she was concerned about the bottoms, I would say to picture wearing biker-type shorts or knee-length spandex like she used to for sports.
12) If/when she’s pregnant or if she ever has surgery, I would tell her to a) try out maternity tops, b) buy tops or bottoms several sizes up, c) try a men’s top and d) don’t forget about the different fabrics.
We’d love to hear about any other practical tips you may have about wearing garments. However, The Cultural Hall will not approve any comments that we feel do no honor the sacred nature of the temple garments.
I had a huge problem with the the Carinessa Garnenrs going gray and in talking with the lady at the distribution center she said to always wash in cold water with laundry soap safe for whites. Since doing this my Garnents have stayed white and grayed at all.
I love the carinessa the most. I don’t have children at home anymore, but I still keep a bucket of nappysan in the laundry to put my garments in after use. They keep a nice white colour. I notice the difference if a pair or 2 get left out.
What is nappysan?
This is definitely something I talk about with my mo-lady friends and sisters. I am all about the Tall tops, getting bigger sizes during pregnancy and through nursing so things can be easily pulled and adjusted, and loved your tips and washing the g’s.
Great post!
I started wearing Longer tops a few months ago. Changed my life! I am a bigger guy, and my gut was making it so the fronts would go down far enough. It’s all good now!
If you can figure out how to get my collar from stretching out you would be my hero (heroine).
Mormon Media Reviews,
If you don’t already, I would try wearing poly-cotton instead of just cotton. I think they stretch out of shape less (although, I think they still do a little).
The long tops saved my life, I just figured that out a few months ago. Maternity bottoms are awful but the tops are great. I wear petite bottoms because of my short legs. Carinessa II make me itch like crazy but I wish they didn’t, I love the fabric.
I wrote a lengthy and upset detailed letter to the contact us and suggestions link online in 2017. They make better maternity, nursing and bottoms for women due to my suggestions. Write to them .
Yes, to always go for longs. Nothing annoys me more than constantly trying to keep them tucked in. I wish I would have known that on the first batch I purchased. Mesh are are great for summer but the ones I have seem smaller, so I would go larger next time. Carinessa’s comfortable but heavy. I was surprised by the author’s comment of wearing men’s.
P.S. I had the opportunity of working for church distribution for a short time, and the sisters there are nicer than you will meet anywhere. There is no question too delicate or personal to ask them. The spirit there is really strong.
Not every sister is nice unfortunately. I always I mean ALWAYS got the mean grumpy sister when I went to get garments in AZ. She was the most unhelpful sourpuss . I prayed I’d get someone else to help me. 7 years ago While in Salt Lake for my SIL wedding I was able to finally get the help I needed while 6months pregnant with not bottoms because the maternity fell off my but and went to mid thigh as they only sold regulars. I was almost in tears after the sister reported helped me find ones I actually could wear and liked. But not every lady is knowledgeable or nice.
Great post! Lots of useful information. I’ve been told, however, that using the term “taking out endowments” is inaccurate and that we should instead say “receiving endowments.” Kinda like how lots of church members use the term “pre-existence,” when the correct term would be “pre-mortal existence.” Sorry. It’s a bit nit-picky. I appreciate your article, though.
Im tall and long, therefor everyone said to get large sizes ect… turns out after trying many sizes/styles I have found that yes, even tho I am tall, Im also very thin.. I needed a small shirt(long tho), and I fit the petite bottoms!! so I would defiidently say try till you find one that fits you personally instead of just what size you or someone else thinks you may fit 🙂 (Part of this comment has been removed.)
Thank you for this wonderful article!! My parents are converts. And when preparing for my own wedding I asked them, my seminary teacher, my bishop, and any one else I could for help: how do I prepare for the temple?? All I ever heard was read Moses. Which of course was not nearly enough for what I was about to experience.
I married in the early 80s when the very first 2 piece garments were available. My mother resisted allowing me to buy them even though the sister at the DC temple was very encouraging. I had only ever seen one pair of casual pants my mom had ever worn!! And she demanded I buy one piece. But I managed to buy one pair of the two piece.
For years I wrote to beehive clothing about making petitie garments available. I could not even wear capris!!! Mid calf garments go to my ankles. While my tall friend wore mid calf and still could wear shorts!! Plus the rise even on the petite knee length was so long that I could tuck my waistband into my bra :p no lie. Ten years of writing to beehive clothing for a request to adjust the rise so I would not have two layers of an extra 5-6 inches of each layer across my waist. It was impacting what clothing I could even wear….. And while we did receive petite options the rise never improved.
In desperation I asked to speak with my temple matron at the Mt timpanogos temple. She walked out a statuesque woman of more than 6′ tall!!!! Clearly unfamiliar with my plight! So I explained my story and what I had tried and asked if I could show her my dilemma. Privately in her office I opened my dress and she declared “oh my heavens!!!!” lol!! I was in tears that she understood the problem!!
She told me she is close friends with the pattern maker and she would speak with him immediately. She gave me his name and number for me to call as well. I never did. I was confident she grasped the magnitude of my problem and would have more influence with him. Eight months later I with a heart filled with gratitude slipped on my very first truly petite garment bottoms!!!
Since that day not many years ago, the options and sizing for women have changed by leaps and bounds giving that since my mothers endowment in 1966 and my own in 1984 there had been only ONE design change. And since I spoke with this woman sometime in 2000-01, we have seen an explosion in design and style options, the young women of today may not realize how recent all these changes truly are!!! It’s a wonderful new time to have so many options to fit our various dressing needs while remaining modest and true to our covenants 😉
Joni,
You are absolutely right on the taking out v. receiving endowments. I agree that “receiving” is the correct language, but because I’m so used to hearing it said “taking out,” I slip up. Thanks for the catch!
Mormon Media Reviews, it sounds like you are asking about the crew-neck tops? I also had that problem with the 100% cotton, and the 50% cotton/50% poly fabrics. Luckily, I discovered the crew neck in DriLux. It has not stretched yet. Plus the fabric is a lighter weight.
As for the comments about the sisters working in the Church Distribution– obviously none of you lived in SLC 20 + years ago. Some of the older sisters that worked back then could be down right rude. I saw many instances where the sisters could have been fired, if they worked outside the church. Thankfully, times have changed and we now have many ‘angels’ working in the stores.
When I lived in Arizona there was one particular sister who had the expression of a grumpy frog and if I asked her questions she would just brush me off and would just tell me order already then just handed me the fabric sample pile she was no help at all. Every time I went to go get new garments I would pray she wasn’t there I’m not kidding but every time I went she was the one was available at the counter even try going in at different times. It wasn’t until I was heavily pregnant with.my son that I finally got help from a lovely sister in Salt Lake while attending my Sil wedding did I finally get help. Now I’m 5 hours away and two states away from a distribution and I have to rely on the internet pics … its frustrating.
I second the men’s tops for pregnant women! I was extremely sick and uncomfortable early on and couldn’t find a women’s cut that wouldn’t make me nauseous wearing it because of how it fit and rested on my stomach. I couldnt go up too much in size because they would slump off my small shoulders and the maternity ones did not work for me either because I still had a small belly. The sweet lady at our distribution center listened to my tearful explanation and recommended the men’s tops. Lifesaver! I felt like I finally had room to breathe but still wear a smaller size that fit the rest of me.
I also agree with Steve on the DriLux tops. My husband has had stretching issues with collars. DriLux retain their fit and collar much better than the cotton or cotton-poly.
I had the same problem while pregnant finding garments to fit.. bith tops and bbottoms, the bottoms would fall down.. They came out with maternity and nursing tops for women after I left suggestions in the suggestions online area In 2018. If you are expecting again then have lovely ones now..
Oh, where was this post 3 months ago?! I just received my endowment in June 2012 and wearing garments was SO hard for me. I have always dressed modestly and thought garments would be no big deal but they were a huge deal. I have sensory integration disorder and certain textures and feelings of tightness on my skin make me literally crazy. I was on the verge of leaving the church for two weeks after I started wearing garments. Finally I discovered DriLux in a size larger than I would normally wear. Now I don’t feel like killing myself every day. But holy cow, was that ever an adjustment!
True story: My grandma was once at the Distribution center getting her garments. The lady asked what kind she would like. Grandma replied “well what colors do they come in?” And the lady was like “uh…we have white, white, or….white.” Grandma almost died. She’d been a member for years at that point so it wasn’t like she was new to the whole thing. Teehee.
I stumbled on this post via Pinterest and am now crying tears of gratitude. I am preparing to receive my endowment and have so many questions. I’m the only convert in my family and, like you said, it’s the practical things that cause me the most anxiety. Thank you so much.
Thank you Carli for seeing a need and filling it!
I sincerely appreciate this article! So mu question is, what about the whole bra under/over thing? I know it seems to be ok to wear it under, but many women seem to prefer it on the outside, though that seems so me like it would cause more lines. Also, when I get married, is there anything special I need to or can do in order to have both the garment and my supportive underclothes go unnoticed under my tighter-fitting dress?
See what Debra Thomson said May 23, 2013
” 25 years ago, I too was given the counsel that the garment should be the closest thing…to your body. …I specifically asked the temple matron about wearing…bra or…panties on top of or under the garment. She said it was a personal decision,…the counsel to always wear the garment…closest to the body is not given any more. …Good to hear we can take into account our personal…situations.”
I’ve given the same advice to my wife, but she’s so used to wearing bras above Gs it feels odd to her any other way. For me, the G bottoms give no support for a man. Without my regular underwear underneath comfortably giving support, it feels distractingly indecent. I have to have my ‘briefs’. Maybe someday Gs will fit like a good pair of Y-fronts.
As a man the garment bottoms (even the “extra support”) are uncomfortable because I like to keep everything in place. I asked my Bishop about wearing a supportive brief under the bottom; his response was that he thought it was fine.
My memory when receiving the endowment was that the garment should be worn next to the skin.
I have heard gossip that sisters are instructed that it does matter and it doesn’t matter that briefs or bras be worn over or under the garment.
They make boxer brief styles for men now. Glad they do. I was tired of seeing my husband’s penis accidentally flop out while he slept.
Now its up to your discretion. My bras stay put better under but I’m so used to covering the marks I’ve gotten used to wearing them over them. Both are okay.
Here’s a question. I was VERY large breastedmy whole life before and after children. Due to many upper back and neck problems, I had a reduction from a DDD to a C . Well, now I no longer need to wear a bra but still do. The Haines invisible and Rhonda Shear invisible bras are the VERY best to wear over garments and have a nice smooth look. They’re the best. I also just at home go without a bra but needless to say, this is the happiest I’ve been not having to struggle with fitting a large bra over a garment top. The hardest thing was with bandaging after surgery. So, nursing garment tops with my post surgical front opening bra worked. We a should all be grateful and thankful with our bodies but I’m very grateful to be out of that constant pain. At 57 I’m so happy , I wish I had done it sooner. Of course you want to make sure you’re not going to be breastfeeding anymore . Also my husband loves me anyway I am especially with less pain.
Kathryn, when I recieved my endowment the temple matron specifically said that the garment should be the closest thing to our bodies, except for special circumstances like wearing a bra when you are nursing. Again, it’s one of those where you can decir how you will follow it.
As an addendum to this post I wished someone had told me earlier about wearing one-piece garments under dresses and skirts so you don’t see the line from the shirt. GENIUS! I have been endowed for five years and I just learned this!
Also one-piece garments can be great for pregnant women. I suffered from hypermesis (severe morning sickness) and the elastic band for the garment bottoms was just too much. The pressure would make me puke. I was constantly pulling the band lower and still had issues. Next go around I will wear a one-piece and be much happier. Also I have heard that I can wear men’s garments if I need to. I have often wished that the woman’s elastic band was as wide and comfortable as the men’s. I have quite a few tricks to try for my next pregnancy.
I suffer from hyperemesis too and wearing garments was unbearable. I had no idea about one piece garments. The lady at the distribution center was really snippy with me not knowing exactly what I wanted. So I bought the wrong sizes and fabrics. I struggle with the fit every single day. Sounds like I need to go back and get some one piece garments. Life savers!!
Thanks for reaching out.Glat to hear we are helping.
This is more of a question.Im a guy about to serve his mission. My garments fit perfectly but the arms seem to loose. Pretty much all of my shirts allow for 2 cm of the garment arm to hang out. Does anyone else have this problem?.
p.s Tip : Dont wash with bleach as it may go streaky.
Hi! I wonder if you could possibly help me with the following question. When you are endowed is it appropriate to walk around, or lounge around watching tv in your garments? I feel that garments are sacred, and that it is not the right thing to do, as your garments should be worn and treated with respect. Am I wrong in giving this council to my endowed children
Jenny,
I don’t think there is anything wrong with lounging around in your garments. I don’t think it takes away from their sacredness because you aren’t wearing everyday clothes over them. I don’t do it very often because I have kids running around. My husband is more likely to wear his shorts over his bottoms and just wear his garment top without a shirt around the house. One thing I do take issue with is if my husband gets food on his garment top. So I would suggest wearing a top just in case if you are a messy eater.
We lounge in our garments. Our kids don’t think anything weird about it and lounge around in their underwear too. We wear robes if in areas of the house well be seen especially in winter. I just don’t want food stains on our garments. I’ve found if I hate my garments I try different styles . I finally have some I like after writing my suggestions to the contact us link in the online store
I have been wearing garments for about 10 years now and the only reason I got them when I did was because I was going on a mission and there was no other option. To be honest I have hated wearing them ever since I’ve gotten them and I did go through temple prep, I was raised in the church (my parents are converts) but have always been modest and demonstrated the importance of wearing them. Whenever I even bring up my feelings about wearing them to my mom she gets super mad with me. Soo yea. Maybe I’m the only one that feels this way but I dislike wearing them and I’m not sure why. Maybe partly because when I wear white shirts people can tell that I am wearing them and I am embarrassed by that, when I wear pants, the line on my leg somehow shows through even on pants that are not tight. Wearing a one piece or ones that go lower on your leg is weird to me. I dont know. Not sure how to get over these feelings I’ve had since I was 21. I do know that they are there for our protection, etc and I believe that but it doesn’t seem to make a difference in my feelings.
You’re not alone. I truly believe garments take away our agency to be modest. Dressing modestly while wearing garments? Not impressive at all. But dressing modestly when you’re not wearing them? Hats off tto you ladies! Believe me, many sisters feel like we do.
I am sooooo relieved to know someone else doesn’t like wearing them. I have felt like the only one for the past two years. The anxiety and discomfort isn’t worth it. I’ve tried every fabric and every style and have pretty much given up. I guess I feel like Heavenly Father doesn’t want me to feel tortured because that is not their purpose. I wear them as often as I can stand, which isn’t much. Not sure if I will be able to get my recommend renewed next month. Sigh. Just glad to know I’m not the only one who has struggled. Thank you.
Have you tried the carinessa fabric for tops and bottoms? I disliked the other garments I used to wear (for various reasons), but the carinessa fits snugly and is much more comfortable to wear than other fabrics and cuts I have tried. Between the carinessa for women and the dri-luxe for men, it seems that an effort has been made to make garments more wearer friendly.
Another trick is to use liquid bluing on any yellowing garments. The small amount of blue dyes blends with the yellow to create a whiter, white. Weird but it really works.
I suggest being very careful using bluing. Read some directions/ maybe see if anyone out there on the internet has tips, etc… The only time I tried using it, I didn’t do very well and I ended up with blue spots! I suppose I should take my own advice, to Learn more about how to use liquid bluing, as I would really like to brighten up my laundry.
Side note: we do not “take out” our endowments. An endowment is a gift we receive our endowments. They’re notnot INA drawer.
An excellent article.we. I agree clmp,etely. I would also add, if you’re receiving your endowments before you get sealed that is, in the process of preparing for imminent sealing prepare for your endowment ceremenoy separately. They are different covenants, and both deeply important in different ways.
Sorry I couldn’t see my above text to proofread it. Need a new tablet 😉
Thanks for a great article!
@Stacie s h: It may have to do with the fact that your feelings have never been validated concerning your frustration. My mom would get mad at me for the same thing if I raised such concerns to her. The good news to me is that you still seem to wear them- that’s faith- good for you! I can understand feeling uncomfortable that someone could learn or assume so much about you from seeing the outline of your underwear, for sure! I don’t like people to see mine either. I just always wear an undershirt and layer a lot, and with jeans or any pants, maybe just try a Capri length bottom just to see- I’d go for petites 😉 different fabrics show more or less, too. And ultimately, its OK to pray about something like that that may seem silly. I encourage you to really explore your feelings about it and be really honest about what bothers you. This is every day we’re talking about, you know? You deserve some peace!
I’m glad I found this! I’ve been struggling for the past year and I need some solid, faithful advice. I have been endowed for 11 years and my first 10 years I loved my garments, was grateful for them, thought about my covenants when putting them on. Then we moved to a pacific island. It is very hot here, we usually don’t have AC, and I’m a stay at home mom that is usually sweating like a pack animal. Some people don’t seem to sweat much and I just do. A lot. Layering is no longer an option for me. I’ve tried all the fabrics the church offers and some are better than others. It is hard to go to church with often half a dozen layers over my core . . . garments, bra, camisole, dress, and something with cap sleeves to top it off. I’m trying so hard to be modest but I am sweating like a pig. And I don’t have access to all the shopping people in Utah do for one-article modest shirts and dresses so I usually do have to layer.
After our first few weeks here I started getting rashes. It’s happening a lot now and I’ve tried cotton and airing out and everything else and I’m getting so frustrated over it and I’ve started resenting my situation more, feeling like some old men in Utah are oppressing women, which I TOTALLY know is not the truth. I do love my garments. But I do feel some unfairness with the gender situation. Men don’t have to layer, nor do they have periods and boobs and pregnant bellies and husbands to be sexy for… and all that makes garments for women so much more awkward than for the men. My husband is military and even has the tan garment tops which look like plain tee shirts with printed marks inside where no one else sees them. And his bottoms look pretty much like normal underwear except longer.
I know there’s an option to have marks put in your own clothes. Does anyone know the protocol for this? I wish women’s tops could be a regular looking downeast/shade/etc camisole to wear over bras and that it wouldn’t have to be covered (same as the lds military wearing their garments as regular shirts). I want to talk to someone or write a letter . . . and every time I feel that way I tell myself to stop. To be faithful. To be grateful. But in this process, I have never felt validated. I want to talk to someone at the temple about this but we don’t have a temple on our island. I don’t know who to talk to and people back home in Utah don’t understand. Please help me. What advice can you give?
And when I said “layering is no longer an option for me,” what I meant is that I’ve reverted to dressing like a man with baggy tee shirts around the house and my self-confidence is shot.
Oh yes, and this is definitely TMI, but in the spirit of openness . . . I’ve also had female issues with irregular periods 2-3 weeks on with a week of break. Yeah. Also not fun to deal with. I need support in my bottoms but candle handle how hot caranessa is. I would love a bottom that was like a lightweight yoga pant that comfortably held you in then flowed away from the body while maintaining length. Wish I could work for the church department that designs the garments!
Someone told me once that people used to be able to sew their own garments. That would be interesting. I know it’s standardized for a reason and I’m so grateful to the Lord for the garment and for the brethren. I wish there was a positive way to influence comfort and options for women while still being faithful.
I have had the same problem in the SE US. The dear ladies out west don’t comprehend how hot it can get outside the intermountain west. In the summer here I change twice a day or more. I wear cotton tops all the time to prevent heat rash and dry silk bottoms in the daytime if I’m wearing pants. The wicking ability of Drisilk is highly overrated in super hot climates for folks who sweat a lot. If I’m wearing a skirt (which is much cooler in the humidity), then I wear 100% cotton petite bottoms which I widen at the bottom if the leg by opening the inner seam and adding about a 3/4″ width with a soft elastic because I don’t have bird legs. If they are a little long in the rise (because the sizing is inconsistent) then I will cut off the waist elastic and use an inch or so to encase a new elastic so it doesn’t touch my skin. This helps avoid heat rash as well. None of these alterations affect the spirit or coverage of the g’s and all of them make them more comfortable to wear, however I have never been able to get a straight answer about whether or not it’s ok to do it. I would love to be able to make my own. Until then I am very willing to sensibly alter what’s available. Hope that helps.
One more thought…I have fewer problems with heat rash if I wear my bra on the outside of a 100% cotton top and change both at mid-day if I spend any time outside. And by the way, after spending my childhood in the desert, I am in love with the Gulf of Mexico rain storms 🙂
Liz,
I’m new to this forum and just stumbled on it looking for answers myself. I live in the Middle East and have very similar issues. If you see this, write me an email and I can tell you some of the things that have worked for me. With love from 130 degrees F 🙂 julia_bergheim@yahoo.com
Liz, thank you for your post. I feel the same way. I continue to email Deseret industries encouraging them to update our garments and use thinner more breathable fabrics.
Does anyone know who to contact with suggestions or know if they listen to our concerns?
Liz-Send a letter with your suggestions and even some drawings to:
Linda K. Burton-General RS President
Relief Society General Office
76 North Main
Salt Lake City, Utah 84150
They now have stretchy thin cotton garments online try em! I have 95F+50% humidity were I live and they work great!
Thanks Lauren. Maybe I will try that, pray about it to have happier feelings towards them. I do wear them and I do layer when I have a white shirt on. My shorts go to my knees or so , I dont wear capris much but I have a couple pairs. My bottoms are petites already and the fabric is just that silky kind I dont remember the name but any other feels heavy and I can really notice I am wearing them. I’ve vented to my husband about my feelings with wearing them but didnt seem to make a difference. Thanks for your advice , much appreciated 🙂
Stacie- I’m not sure if you are talking about the silky ones or the carranessa. But if they are the silky ones I would suggest trying the carranessa ones. They are so much better thanthe silk. They are the only ones that I like and they fit well under my clothing the best. The carranessa kind have been out for only the past couple years. Again, I don’t know which ones you are wearing, but if I was wearing the silk ones all the time, I would be uncomfortable all of the time too.
I am a static magnet and so I started using fabric softener but realized if could be causing some major irritation in sensitive areas. Any input?
I am tall but chunky and short waisted. so I have some biker style petites and that shows a little less through certain fabrics.
It was good to read that some ladies will wear a mans bottoms I did that and felt like I was stepping over some kind of line 🙂
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I have been wondering what sort of sleeve to get on my wedding dress (which I will be making from a pattern), and now I know to go buy the wonder tee! I will hopefully be endowed before I get sealed, but this just puts my mind at ease.
I have had fibrodial breast diease and had some tissue removed so wearing my bra on top of my garments can really hurt sometimes. Does it really have to be worn on top? […] Also my bottoms elastic goes up above my belly button…very uncomfortabe….any ideas?
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After a mastectomy, I had questions about garment tops fitting. I went to a deseret store and a matron fit me for garments that had pockets for a prosthesis. They are special order, not expensive, and are comfortable. I strongly suggest sisters who have breast cancer are given this information more easily than trying to figure it out for themselves. A patient has enough to worry about.
Thank you so much for this article. I especially enjoyed the link to Elder Nelson’s talk! I am preparing to receive my endowment next month and I am starting to wonder what wearing garments will be like. The majority of my family is not endowed, so other than my endowed friends (which are great resources too), there are not many sources I can go to. A couple questions: I’ve heard that there are a ton of material options–can you mix and match on the top and bottom, like a cotton one on top and silky (not sure of the right term) on bottom, etc.?
Also, how much of a difference is there in length between regular and petite bottoms? I’m short (5 3) and am wondering if I’ll be able to even wear knee-length shorts since summer is coming. Also, where are good places (besides downeast) to find skirts that are long enough and cute? My clothes are modest, but I’m thinking some of them may be on the verge of being difficult to work with. Have you ever sewn extra fabric onto dresses and skirts/have any tips like that?
Some of the calf-length ones are actually really cute–kind of like leggings with lace on the edges.
I only buy maternity tops, not bottoms. I think you only need one or the other–I prefer just the tops.
I like tops with the elastic seams just under the bust when I am nursing (never tried the nursing tops). I usually keep my bra on top, but that is really impractical for me with nursing pads, etc while lactating, but the seams help me keep my shirt down in the right place, without them or a bra to hold it down, my garment top would not stay in place as well.
Menses. Yeah. . . There are some fabrics that wash blood out better than others. . . I have found the carinessa ones come clean pretty easily and the dri lux do not as much. If things are heavy, I also will wear briefs under my garments (rare occurrence) in order to hold a pad there better until it lightens up a bit.
Also, I’d really like to know where the council to not say “take out your endowments comes from.” is that cultural or did a leader actually counsel that? I think of taking them out as keeping a part of the temple with you always and I like how it suggests action. I’d love a reference if anyone has one, so I can change my ways if need be 😉
@Stacie S-H, I know how you feel. I have been a member since 2005 and received my endowment in Feb 2007. I had a very hard time with the garments, and still do sometimes. I recently discovered that the new Carinessa bottoms and tops come in different cuts to better fit your body. It has been a life changer for me. Yes, I still struggle, but since the new tops have a seam edge instead of lace it looks more like a regular top anyone would use to layer. Also, now that I’ve tried the new bottoms they seem to fit better and somehow that has made it a little easier to wear. The waist band is a little thicker too.
I remember the weeks following my endowment. I would get so angry and frustrated I would literally throw them across the room. I know, that’s not the right thing to do but I was so uncomfortable. I finally talked to someone who understood and she convinced me to spend a little more money and try different sizes and styles. That really helped too. I realized the tops the sisters at the distributions center recommended were too short and the bottoms were too small and too long. I also found that I hated the silky feeling. My bra straps constantly fell down. Sometimes I wear my bra underneath just to make it more comfortable. For me, it’s important that I am wearing them. I haven’t changed the garment in any so for me it works better.
Thank you for your comments on the Temple Garments. How to buy and care for them when washing them to stay white.This has been an great help for me to have an better understanding of what to buy once again thank you!
I will be receiving my endowments in the next few months and then getting married and sealed a couple of days after my endowment as my bishop suggested. I just don’t have any women to talk to! I understand I have to wear my garments for ever. I have to wear them with my wedding dress in the temple, but is it doctrine or dogma to have to wear them for the wedding night? The honeymoon is surely a time to get to “know” your spouse… I can’t get past the thought that G’s will kill the entire mood.
Katt, no you do not wear garments while having sex. Not on your wedding night, not when you’ve been married 40 years like me.
Here are two books I would recommend. The first one was the only LDS book available when I was married that went into a little more detail than any other on marriage. Lindsay Curtis, was an OBGYN practicing in Ogden, I believe. I purchased the book at the BYU bookstore. It was out of print for a while but is back in print under a different title.
http://www.amazon.com/Sensible-Sex-Lindsay-Curtis-M-D/dp/1566842360
The second book is more recent and more explicit but in very good taste. i’ve given it as a wedding present to many couples and have received enthusiastic thank you notes, including from husbands.
Neither of those books will give you the least suggestion that garments should be worn during sexual relations.
http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-Not-Ashamed-Strengthening/dp/1587830345
When I was endowed 25 years ago, I too was given the counsel that the garment should be the closest thing you wear next to your body. When my daughter received her endowments, I specifically asked the temple matron about wearing the bra or even panties on top of or under the garment. She said it was a personal decision, that the counsel to always wear the garment as the layer closest to the body is not given any more. I have a family member who just feels better – more “held in” wearing a pair of support panties in addition to her garment. Good to hear we can take into account our personal sensibilities and situations.
Garments have always been difficult for me, but when I was pregnant was the worst. I hate the maternity garments; there’s just too much fabric in all the wrong places and too little where you need it. A sweet lady at the distribution center recommended I use the carinessa. It was so much better. I got talls to cover my big belly (I’m 5’8″), and now that I’m nursing I can just pull the top down beneath my breast (which works because they are so elastic), and slide it back up when my baby’s finished. I appreciated this advice so much I just want to share it with everyone because it was one less irritating thing to have to deal with!
Just received my Endowment yesterday. Your article helped me select garments.
thank you
I have a lot of problems with my garment bottom turning down and my garment top rolling up as high as my bra all of the time. I bought larger ones a couple of months back, but they are still doing the same thing. Can you buy extra long tops for women or do they make them. I’m overweight and have the ‘apple belly’, so I fight the battle of the bulge all of the time. My garments shrink terribly and I wash in cold water only and dry on a low dryer, sometimes on an extra low heat. I hate fighting this all of the time and I only wear the cotton/poly. Nothing else stays on my body!!!!!!!!!!! Can anyone tell me if I can by longer garments, not bigger, just longer in both the top and the bottoms?
Thank you,
Thank you so much for this! I was really curious: knowing what is garment appropriate helps me prepare for my garments by dressing modestly. I really appreciate this. 🙂
@Cheri – Have you tried the other fabrics? I **can’t stand** the cotton poly for the same reason. It rolls up my body. Drives me bonkers. I use the Carinessa sometimes (although after awhile they make me itchy, so I don’t wear them at night). Dry Lux sometimes (i had to buy a smaller size than I actually measured because it would roll too). Hope that helps.
I had forgotten to do laundry one night and was all out of my garments. I thought, oh I’ll just wear some bottoms of my husbands and I can wear my top. My husband said he didn’t think I could do that. He came from a way more active family than mine, so I believed him. I didn’t wear them that night. Thank you for letting me in on that little ‘secret’. I was also told that if you wash the men and women garments separate they stay whiter longer. My husband works in construction so I do that anyway, but haven’t tested the theory yet.
Ladies if you feel like the elastic waistband is cutting you in half, try the B, for example a Small B. I am very skinny and prefer the B, they still stay in place, don’t ride up as much, no wedgie, and don’t cut me in half! I think that might be only available with the Carinessa, but not 100% positive.
I was just baptized this March. As a very enthusiastic new member who is anxiously learning and attempting to learn all I can about preparation to enter the Temple (I am 46) this blog is an answer to a prayer!
I do have one question. I see a lot of very helpful information, but as a rather non-wealthy but responsible adult, I am trying to figure out how much to budget for the addition to my wardrobe.
Undergarments, in the past, are frankly the only item of clothing I don’t purchase second-hand. However, in order for me to afford a radical change in my wardrobe (I have already altered my clothing towards the standard of the missionary sisters in my ward), I need to know what to budget.
Sorry for the frank question, but it is something I want to plan for. I have no doubt what I need will be provided. I just need to do my part of preparing.
Maggie,
I was concerned with the cost of the garments when I was first married, and thought they would be a lot more expensive. I find that the garments (I wear DriLux) turned out to be less expensive in the long run. Wearing them, not only protects my body and spirit, but they also protect my clothing. The garments get most of your body oils and keep your bras and other clothing protected from body oils, as when I am working in the garden on hot summer days. I disliked the one piece, which was all they had when we were first married, but I love the two-piece. The bottoms are not more expensive than a nice pair of underpants and I think of the tops as kind of a camisole. And, the bottoms don’t show a panty line.
Write more, thats all I have to say. Literally, it seems
as though you relied on the video to make your point.
You definitely know what youre talking about, why waste your intelligence on just posting videos to your
site when you could be giving us something enlightening to
read?
Thank you! I haven’t gone shopping yet (taking temple prep now), but this helped answer some questions I had.
I’m 5’1” so i’m glad to hear the petite sizes have a shorter waist band… When I buy shape wear at the store, I have to tuck it into my bra because it goes up that high…
I’m also around 150 lbs, and while I should be able to hopefully knock off maybe 10 lbs if my life depended on it, are any of the petite types built for shorter non rail thin girls?
Yes! There are garments in every size and shape imaginable, and if you can’t find the right fit, then you can special order some for the same price as if you bought them off the shelf. They aren’t like outer clothes that are longer as the size goes up, whatever length you choose will generally be that same length across all the different sizes. Some fabrics have slightly different lengths to accommodate stretching and shrinking, and if you really want petite then the cotton/poly fabric will shrink quite a bit (to about a 6 in. inseam, oops learned my lesson there) and the drisilque petites are also Very petite. Good luck!! 🙂
For me this is a relatively easy qsotuien, but has a pretty complex answer. The specialty I have actually looked forward to working with is OB/GYN. I find that the ability of a woman’s body to produce a child, endure the amount of abuse it takes during a pregnancy, and the amount of pain endured during delivery is amazing. The joy of being able to be present as life enters the world is truly one of the greatest moments in life. To me that would be the best possible option. I also would love working in the operating room with a surgeon. I have experienced the OR quite a few times, and have been on both sides of the table. I have to say I would love to work with any surgeon in the OR except for Orthopedics. The reason behind that is the surgery’s are pretty brutal when it comes to the skeletal system. Having been in the OR with an Orthopedic surgeon and seeing the use of the saws, hammers and other heavy equipment in order to perform the surgery just sends chills up my spine. I know that type of surgery is not for me. I think my favorite surgeries have to be that of the abdominal cavity. The specialties that I would least like to work for are few, and for simple reasons. Pediatrics is not a specialty for me since I have four children of my own. My Aunt is a neonatal nurse practitioner and I followed her in high school and saw the good, the bad, and the ugly so I can honestly say I could not emotionally handle that type of position. Podiatry is also an area I could not see myself working. The reason behind this is pretty silly, but here goes, I very much dislike other peoples feet especially if they are not well kept. I know in the medical field you will encounter feet on a daily basis, but I could not mainly work with feet on an everyday basis. My last specialty is Orthopedics for the reasons I noted above about the barbaric nature of the surgeries and treatments for the musculoskeletal system. Its just not for me.
You ladies are so weird. Looking from the outside its sad how brainwashed you are. Having to prepare for something so sacred (weird) that is so hard to understand. Not to mention your prophet married other church members wife’s. sick and wrong and have been lied to.
You can not know the truth if you just assume something. You can not comprehend the truth if you do not seek after it. These are Heavenly Fathers commandments for our protection. No one can change what He has made.
You can go to mormon.org
Hi! I am a convert and getting married soon and have found the dress of my dreams! However, the upper back of my dress and the cap sleeves are lace. It’s not the very sheer kind of lace, it’s a thicker, denser kind. My question is, even though it covers all the areas of the garment, is it okay to wear it even though its lacey? If you look real close you can see the garment lines. Any suggestions? Should I get the lace lined?
I would get the lace lined just to be safe.
Is it okay to wear your bra underneath your garment top? My sister was told it was okay when she received her endowments, but when I received mine it wasn’t addressed. I’m beginning to nurse and I feel it would be easier if it was not underneath, but I don’t want to wear them incorrectly.
You are totally fine to wear your bra where you need to– underneath or on top of your garment.
I was baptized a few months ago, dh grew up in the church but left years ago and came back with me, but he is talking about the temple and endowments which i know very little about, your article was awesome because it seems likeno one really talks about this stuff…i read another article where one person mentioned wearing it over her bra. Is this acceptible? I hope i am not bring offensive, i just don’t know 🙁
One of the things I’ve discovered about garments is that the menstrual pads don’t stay in place very well- but then a friend mentioned the idea of buying a pair of thin panties to attach the pad to and wearing them underneath during those 6 days of the month. It also helps the garment bottoms stay cleaner.
@baily, it is okay for women to wear the men’s garment if that is the garment that you have chosen. I know quite a few women who love the men’s extra support garment because it is more like a biker short.
I wish they would make a carinessa II 2xsB does anyone know why they don’t? The 2xsA is too tight in the waist and the size up XsB is too big. So I am stuck with slouchy g’s 🙁
This article and the comments have seriously helped with my transition after receiving my endowments recently. My mom had no problem wandering our house in just her garments, so I was very aware of how they looked on her, but not familiar with the other options out there. To be honest, if I had to wear the material that she prefers, I might go bonkers. I love my drilux top, though I wish they had it in more than just the chemise cut. And I would LOVE it if they got rid of the lace on most of the garment.
The cotton poly top I got rolls up. Over an inch of the material was rolled up straight out of the bag, so I’m not getting anymore of those. Can anyone tell me which ones they’ve tried that don’t do this?
I have been wearing garments for almost 2 years now and I’m still not used to them. I’m fairly tall and pretty slender. I wear carinessa top xxs, but it’s too short to tuck in. Do garments have to be tucked in? I also wear the carinessa bottoms in xxs. The length doesn’t bother me, but they go up past my belly botton. With modern pants, I’m used to wearing low-rise jeans. I can’t stand the feeling of having a tight squeeze around my belly and then have my jeans sit several several inches lower. So I roll them down a bunch and it’s still annoying, but less annoying then having it squeeze my belly and make me feel fat because it bulges. But then I get horrible permanent lines from the waist band being too small for the point where my jeans sit. Either way it is awfully troubling and takes away from the scared reason of why we wear them. Does anyone have a solution for this?! It’s wrong to roll down your garments? If I buy the petites how high do they go? Help!
I used to think that it was required to tuck the tops into the bottoms when I was younger, because that was what my mom did, but soon found out that it was just a practical way of keeping them in place for her. The important thing is that you’re covered, so I sometimes tuck them in, sometimes I don’t, depending on what I’m wearing that day. And when they talk about not altering the garments, I don’t think they mean that you can’t alter them for comfort. It’s not like the elastic waist band is doctrine or something, and if it’s too uncomfortable, it’s too uncomfortable.
I’m 5’2” and the carnessa regular (no petite option there) bottoms come up to right below my belly button. The drilux petite bottoms rest in about the same spot. I’m fine with the waist bands on both after a little wear. The carnessa one is a bit softer, and I love the fact that it doesn’t have lace around the legs that doesn’t stretch as much as the rest. Talk about irritating!
I just came back to the church about a year ago. I began going to the temple and wearing Garments again as well. It feels good to me to be able to wear them again. It reminds me of so many blessings.
Only problem I have with them are that the tops are not always user friendly for us ladies who may be a little on the large side up top. I sure wish that those who design them would realize we are not all built the same up top and the cup shapes in the tops don’t even come close to fitting properly,,,I would not even know who to address this with. Even putting in a light shelf bra into the top and taking out the cup shapes would help. I still wear my Bra on the outside as I was always taught this way. Just seems some small changes could be made for the tops to better fit females,,,,,and not affect the sacredness of them.
I received my endowments in March of this year. The temple matron told us that the bra goes on top. It’s interesting to me to hear that the counsel is different. Also I am so glad to hear others say that the Caranessa garments make them itch. I thought it was all in my head. They itch me so bad it makes me crazy! I love my long tops. Love them! I’m going to try the vinegar trick. Thank you for the tip!
I just started wearing garments this week. How should it fit on your leg as far as length goes? My mom and grandma say it needs to come all the way down to your knee. Everyone else I know who”s endowed says it comes a little bit above your knee.
I’ve stopped wearing my garments completely. I don’t believe in them, and after a year of being depressed, feeling violated, being itchy (despite trying every fabric) and having no self esteem because they make me feel so awkward, I have prayerfully came to the conclusion that Heavenly Father does NOT want me to do anything that brings me to resent Him and His church. Hopefully, the church will change their views on garments as they have in the past and I will get to go inside the temple without sacrificing my well being.
It’s very interesting to read all these comments. I, too, have struggled with wearing the garments, especially in the summer, as well as having some minor sensory issues.
I can’t help but be curious though about my lifestyle compared to the people before me. Maybe I’m just spoiled. I mean, the pioneers had to make considerable physical sacrifices for the gospel and so a little bit of uncomfortableness on my part can be my way to demonstrate my faith and sacrifice. This is a personal decision and I can’t say that if I had major sensory issues that I would make the same decision.
After reading this article, I did a search on the LDS website and found an article by Elder Asay that says,
There are some who would welcome a detailed dress code answering every conceivable question about the wearing of the temple garment. They would have priesthood leaders legislate lengths, specify conditions of when and how it should and should not be worn, and impose penalties upon those who missed the mark by a fraction of an inch. Such individuals would have Church members strain at a thread and omit the weightier matters of the gospel of Jesus Christ (see Matt. 23:23–26).
Most Latter-day Saints, however, rejoice over the moral agency extended them by a loving Father in Heaven. They prize highly the trust placed in them by the Lord and Church leaders—a trust implied in this statement made by the Prophet Joseph Smith: “I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves.”
In the handbook, it says,
“Members who have made covenants in the temple should be guided by the Holy Spirit to answer for themselves personal questions about wearing the garment…. Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing. Nor should they alter the garment from its authorized design.”
I believe that our decisions should be between God and ourselves. Our covenants are made with him and not with a bishop or the “church”. I sweat a lot in my underarms, and so I cut out the the bottom part of the sleeve that goes under my arm. I’ve felt like this was acceptable to the Lord and have peace about it.
Thank you for your article. By all the comments, it is addressing a need among the members.
You men and women mormon and non mormon speak as if with authority on this sacred subject.You do not speak as one who understands our SAVIOR JESUS CHRISTfurther you deliniate and question things you know the answer to or do not know because darkness does not comprehend light satan negates and puts simple concrete things into question as far back as in the garden of edin how be it it ties into temple garments and the garden of edin you all question authority and rules set in place your motives are known to your heavenly father innocent or not your breaking rules if you do not know follow the rules to the letter and see if heavenly father does not open his blessings to you and shower you with his love he must know about the these things have you prayed fasted and read your scriptures trouble not your GOD and HEAVENLY FATHER for he knows all and searches the heart and knows his sons and daughters are you guided by the spirit or are all of you riding the fence the fine line ?
You sir, make an excellent word salad.
Thank all of you for your comments I received my endowment a little over a year ago. I too was so full of questions – many you’ve answered. I’m am thankful to find that others have problems wearing the g’s. I live in the Hawaiian island and when I have hot flashes, and I have them often, I’m very uncomfortable. I work around my problems as many of you do. They don’t fit well so I was delighted with all the suggestions. I hope to read more.
Found this to be useful!
http://alyneandcameron.blogspot.com/2014/11/10-tips-on-how-to-look-cute-while.html
When are women’s bottom garments considered dirty and need to be replaced? Also I have a bladder control problem, and wonder if it’s ok to wear my white underwear under my garments to help keep my garments from staining? I’m really not sure what would be ok and this isn’t something I feel comfortable asking in person.
The instructions are not to modify the garment for fashion reasons. The church understands modifications for medical reasons and even has a way for us to order custom garments.
I returned to Church after a 30 year hiatus. Very much had changed and I had forgotten so very much. I was very thankful to find this blog for updates and answers to many questions. Anyhow, I was also wondering if garments should be hung to dry or dried in the dryer? I know hanging them can disfigure after a while.
Official care instructions say only warm or cold water for wash, and no chlorine bleach. According to some sources, the fabric is “dyed” white, and hot/bleach will result in dinginess.
Looks like it’s time for an update to the update ;P I’m loving the new tops and wish there were a way to try on unmarked options over top of your current garments since every shape is different.